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	<title>Comments on: GumGum launch, or how to avoid a disastrous launch.</title>
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		<title>By: Alex G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The good thing is that my code didn&#039;t leak memory, Rails was stable and it was a good sign.&quot;

Is Rails really worth it? I mean you are talking about interpreted language with full blown GC and yet you still worry about memory leaks? I spent the whole 2007 doing Rails and I just got too frustrated with Ruby and how slow the whole thing seems. You need to put in quite a bit of effort to get some kind of semi acceptable performance and go far beyond to have your application stable.

Is this really worth the &quot;better development experience&quot; in 2008? Worrying about your application staying up and not throwing errors because of some internal issues? Rails doesn&#039;t do anything other platforms can&#039;t. Yes, it&#039;s a joy to work with, but everything else around it pretty horrible.

I know you are talking about 60 requests per second on a not optimized code, but even that is BAD in a production environment. It was horrible 5 years ago on machines 1/4 the power you have now and today it&#039;s just dismal. The web applications arent that much more complex in terms code than they were 5 years ago, but the frameworks that power them are starting to get out of hand and replace performance and response time with convenient development experience.

I love Ruby and I really enjoyed development in Rails, but I couldn&#039;t bear how slow it felt even in development. Deployment is a total nightmare and isn&#039;t for the faint of heart. I went back to ASP.NET.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;The good thing is that my code didn&#8217;t leak memory, Rails was stable and it was a good sign.&quot;</p>
<p>Is Rails really worth it? I mean you are talking about interpreted language with full blown GC and yet you still worry about memory leaks? I spent the whole 2007 doing Rails and I just got too frustrated with Ruby and how slow the whole thing seems. You need to put in quite a bit of effort to get some kind of semi acceptable performance and go far beyond to have your application stable.</p>
<p>Is this really worth the &quot;better development experience&quot; in 2008? Worrying about your application staying up and not throwing errors because of some internal issues? Rails doesn&#8217;t do anything other platforms can&#8217;t. Yes, it&#8217;s a joy to work with, but everything else around it pretty horrible.</p>
<p>I know you are talking about 60 requests per second on a not optimized code, but even that is BAD in a production environment. It was horrible 5 years ago on machines 1/4 the power you have now and today it&#8217;s just dismal. The web applications arent that much more complex in terms code than they were 5 years ago, but the frameworks that power them are starting to get out of hand and replace performance and response time with convenient development experience.</p>
<p>I love Ruby and I really enjoyed development in Rails, but I couldn&#8217;t bear how slow it felt even in development. Deployment is a total nightmare and isn&#8217;t for the faint of heart. I went back to ASP.NET.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Papadopoulos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Papadopoulos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the moment, I think the complaints about performance and deployment are real, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a very huge issue in the long run.

Over time, I&#039;d bet on Rails performance improving significantly as more bits of code get optimized and the Ruby language continues to mature. And deployment too will see more tools developed and hosts having a better idea how to deal with it.

But that doesn&#039;t matter. The fun I&#039;m having working with Rails instead of PHP more than makes up for the minor difficulties that exist.  I&#039;m currently getting close to releasing my first Rails based project and I&#039;m enjoying using it more than anything else I&#039;ve ever touched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the moment, I think the complaints about performance and deployment are real, but I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a very huge issue in the long run.</p>
<p>Over time, I&#8217;d bet on Rails performance improving significantly as more bits of code get optimized and the Ruby language continues to mature. And deployment too will see more tools developed and hosts having a better idea how to deal with it.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t matter. The fun I&#8217;m having working with Rails instead of PHP more than makes up for the minor difficulties that exist.  I&#8217;m currently getting close to releasing my first Rails based project and I&#8217;m enjoying using it more than anything else I&#8217;ve ever touched.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Allam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Allam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex has a good point. Rails suffers from some silly performance problems, and it took Ezra and Merb to come along and show us what those problems are. Rails also suffers from some problems because of the ruby platform, the memory and threading issues for instance. Hopefully rubinius will come along and bolster the platform to make it as much of a joy to deploy as it is to develop</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex has a good point. Rails suffers from some silly performance problems, and it took Ezra and Merb to come along and show us what those problems are. Rails also suffers from some problems because of the ruby platform, the memory and threading issues for instance. Hopefully rubinius will come along and bolster the platform to make it as much of a joy to deploy as it is to develop</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Stone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Stone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 08:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex G.

Your post reads like a Microsoft paid for post.

Can you fill us in on the project details?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex G.</p>
<p>Your post reads like a Microsoft paid for post.</p>
<p>Can you fill us in on the project details?</p>
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